Christmas Day Failed Terror Attack
It is absolutely unbelievable with all the concern and commentary about this subject that there is pretty much no concern whatsoever with the possibility that the individual may well, maybe even likely, boarded the airplane with no passport. This is among the circumstances noted below.
It is now reported that the individual’s Father’s concerns about his son were shared with the US Embassy in his home country and with the CIA. His father’s concerns were voiced in a way that they should have been taken more seriously; given his father’s status in his home country and the fact that he revealed that his son had informed him that he was sending the last communication that his father would get from him. That would be significant in that it would be a final message from a suicide bomber. He was on a terrorist ties list; even though he was not on a terrorist watch list and wasn’t on a no-fly list.
A report from one of the flight’s passengers is that he (the passenger) had observed the young man, appearing as a young poor black. (The guy looks like he’s around 14 to 17 years old, so, he could and evidently was dressed and looking like a young poor individual) He was accompanied by a rather distinguished looking older Indian man, or some similar description. (This is apparently what caught his (the passenger’s) attention to the pair) He overheard the whole conversation (in his words) between the Indian man and the person at the ticket counter for the airlines. The Indian represented that he (the young man) was a poor refugee from Sudan and he didn’t have a passport. The Indian man did all the talking, the young man did none. When questioned and told that he would have to have a passport, he emphasized that he was a refugee from Sudan (we have all heard of the trouble occurring in Sudan) and that they did it all the time. The ticket agent told the man that he would have to speak with her supervisor; and he was directed toward the supervisor. Evidently, whatever occurred after that, the young man made it onto the flight. (Frankly, under those circumstances, it makes you wonder if the individual even went through the normal security screening process or not) So, he makes it onto the plane, in his underdressed (white T-shirt) garb; appearing as a young poor refugee from Sudan. If he had presented his passport, it would have been evident that he not only was not from Sudan, but, that he had, in the last several years been from Nigeria to London, and Dubai and Yemen. I believe I’ve heard recently that the ticket was bought in Ghana, so add that to his passport travels. A little further look would have revealed that he had paid Cash for his ticket and had booked no luggage. Not indicative of a poor refugee from Sudan. There are so many loose ends here that need to be looked into and so many dots that need to be connected that were all almost miraculously missed. It’s unbelievable. Also, it’s reported that along with having no booked luggage, he had no jacket, just his white T-shirt. Going to Detroit in mid-winter, this alone should have raised questions.
The young man had a US visitor’s visa (or something of that sort) from 2008. Well, even though he wasn’t on the no-fly list. He had made the terrorist-ties list. Whatever the order of which he made the terrorist-ties list; if a person who lands on the ties list has an existing US visa, then he should be more closely looked at; if a person already on the ties list, obtains a US visa, then he should be more closely looked at. If a person having the above mentioned circumstances has his Father going to the US Embassy in his home country and to the CIA, he should be much more closely looked at. Folks landing on a terrorist ties list should be cross-referenced with those holding US visas and vice versa.
The father was a known highly placed Nigerian banker. His caution alone should have been enough to bring further attention to the matter. But, the father’s caution along with the individual’s having an existing US visa, and the man’s having already been placed on the terrorist ties list, should have all been way more than enough to draw significant attention. All this, without even consideration of the fact, that, this individual may well have boarded the flight without even so much as a passport, because of a verbal ruse, by a distinguished looking older Indian man that he was a refugee from Sudan and that it’s done all the time. At the same time, the ruse of this man being introduced as a refugee from Sudan and therefore, having no passport, should have been enough to draw an appropriate amount of attention, even without the circumstances as mentioned above. Again, if the individual had presented his passport, it would have shown a far different set of circumstances than that of a poor refugee from Sudan.
Even without any of this, mentioned above; the individual paid cash for his ticket, apparently all the way from Nigeria or maybe Ghana, whichever, to the US, via the Netherlands (an amount of cash a lot of folks may have a hard time coming up with) and he booked no luggage. A simple “What is the purpose of your trip?; how long will you be staying?; where will you be staying and who will you be visiting with? This routine questioning would have certainly given authorities something to question about the young man’s actions.
The passport wipes out the refugee from Sudan story. The ticket paid for in cash (in Nigeria) wipes out the refugee from Sudan story; or at least leads to other questions such as "who purchased the ticket?" among other questions. The passport shows a young man going from Nigeria through London, Dubai and Yemen then going to the US, who is on a terrorist ties list.
It should be determined whether or not it is a fact that the young man actually got on board the plane by using the ruse of a poor young refugee from Sudan, with no passport. If so, then how does that work? And, if so, who is the Indian gentleman? No passport? He looks between 14 and 17; but, we now know he’s 23 years old. If he got onto the plane like this, then, did he also by-pass the normal airport security? Oh boy!!!!!
If he was accepted as a refugee from Sudan, was it ever looked into, what name the ticket was purchased for, who purchased the ticket, where and how (cash)?
If not, then how did he get aboard? Did he have his passport, and, what questions were raised about his trip to the US, with no luggage, no jacket and a ticket paid for in cash? Did the travel from Nigeria to London, Kuwait and Yemen raise any concerns? If nothing else the stops in Yemen should have raised a question.
Being on a terrorist ties list and having an existing visa to visit the US should bring attention. Alternatively, having an existing visa to the US and then, landing on a terrorist ties list, should bring further attention.
Under the circumstances, the father’s caution to the US Embassy should have been enough to have brought further attention to this individual which would have prevented all of the above.
If he in fact got on board the airplane with no passport, then, that in itself pretty well explains where things went wrong. As a matter of fact, he could have been on a no-fly list and if he was allowed to board the plane with no passport then there would have been no verification of his name and therefore he would have successfully by-passed the no-fly list.
Frankly, at this point, it almost seems more likely that he did board with no passport; given all the questions which should have been raised by reviewing the passport that he should have had. If so, if it was by virtue of the verbal ruse offered by the Indian gentleman, it’s really inexcusable and furthermore, the Indian gentleman should really be considered a ‘person of interest!!!!’
It is now reported that the individual’s Father’s concerns about his son were shared with the US Embassy in his home country and with the CIA. His father’s concerns were voiced in a way that they should have been taken more seriously; given his father’s status in his home country and the fact that he revealed that his son had informed him that he was sending the last communication that his father would get from him. That would be significant in that it would be a final message from a suicide bomber. He was on a terrorist ties list; even though he was not on a terrorist watch list and wasn’t on a no-fly list.
A report from one of the flight’s passengers is that he (the passenger) had observed the young man, appearing as a young poor black. (The guy looks like he’s around 14 to 17 years old, so, he could and evidently was dressed and looking like a young poor individual) He was accompanied by a rather distinguished looking older Indian man, or some similar description. (This is apparently what caught his (the passenger’s) attention to the pair) He overheard the whole conversation (in his words) between the Indian man and the person at the ticket counter for the airlines. The Indian represented that he (the young man) was a poor refugee from Sudan and he didn’t have a passport. The Indian man did all the talking, the young man did none. When questioned and told that he would have to have a passport, he emphasized that he was a refugee from Sudan (we have all heard of the trouble occurring in Sudan) and that they did it all the time. The ticket agent told the man that he would have to speak with her supervisor; and he was directed toward the supervisor. Evidently, whatever occurred after that, the young man made it onto the flight. (Frankly, under those circumstances, it makes you wonder if the individual even went through the normal security screening process or not) So, he makes it onto the plane, in his underdressed (white T-shirt) garb; appearing as a young poor refugee from Sudan. If he had presented his passport, it would have been evident that he not only was not from Sudan, but, that he had, in the last several years been from Nigeria to London, and Dubai and Yemen. I believe I’ve heard recently that the ticket was bought in Ghana, so add that to his passport travels. A little further look would have revealed that he had paid Cash for his ticket and had booked no luggage. Not indicative of a poor refugee from Sudan. There are so many loose ends here that need to be looked into and so many dots that need to be connected that were all almost miraculously missed. It’s unbelievable. Also, it’s reported that along with having no booked luggage, he had no jacket, just his white T-shirt. Going to Detroit in mid-winter, this alone should have raised questions.
The young man had a US visitor’s visa (or something of that sort) from 2008. Well, even though he wasn’t on the no-fly list. He had made the terrorist-ties list. Whatever the order of which he made the terrorist-ties list; if a person who lands on the ties list has an existing US visa, then he should be more closely looked at; if a person already on the ties list, obtains a US visa, then he should be more closely looked at. If a person having the above mentioned circumstances has his Father going to the US Embassy in his home country and to the CIA, he should be much more closely looked at. Folks landing on a terrorist ties list should be cross-referenced with those holding US visas and vice versa.
The father was a known highly placed Nigerian banker. His caution alone should have been enough to bring further attention to the matter. But, the father’s caution along with the individual’s having an existing US visa, and the man’s having already been placed on the terrorist ties list, should have all been way more than enough to draw significant attention. All this, without even consideration of the fact, that, this individual may well have boarded the flight without even so much as a passport, because of a verbal ruse, by a distinguished looking older Indian man that he was a refugee from Sudan and that it’s done all the time. At the same time, the ruse of this man being introduced as a refugee from Sudan and therefore, having no passport, should have been enough to draw an appropriate amount of attention, even without the circumstances as mentioned above. Again, if the individual had presented his passport, it would have shown a far different set of circumstances than that of a poor refugee from Sudan.
Even without any of this, mentioned above; the individual paid cash for his ticket, apparently all the way from Nigeria or maybe Ghana, whichever, to the US, via the Netherlands (an amount of cash a lot of folks may have a hard time coming up with) and he booked no luggage. A simple “What is the purpose of your trip?; how long will you be staying?; where will you be staying and who will you be visiting with? This routine questioning would have certainly given authorities something to question about the young man’s actions.
The passport wipes out the refugee from Sudan story. The ticket paid for in cash (in Nigeria) wipes out the refugee from Sudan story; or at least leads to other questions such as "who purchased the ticket?" among other questions. The passport shows a young man going from Nigeria through London, Dubai and Yemen then going to the US, who is on a terrorist ties list.
It should be determined whether or not it is a fact that the young man actually got on board the plane by using the ruse of a poor young refugee from Sudan, with no passport. If so, then how does that work? And, if so, who is the Indian gentleman? No passport? He looks between 14 and 17; but, we now know he’s 23 years old. If he got onto the plane like this, then, did he also by-pass the normal airport security? Oh boy!!!!!
If he was accepted as a refugee from Sudan, was it ever looked into, what name the ticket was purchased for, who purchased the ticket, where and how (cash)?
If not, then how did he get aboard? Did he have his passport, and, what questions were raised about his trip to the US, with no luggage, no jacket and a ticket paid for in cash? Did the travel from Nigeria to London, Kuwait and Yemen raise any concerns? If nothing else the stops in Yemen should have raised a question.
Being on a terrorist ties list and having an existing visa to visit the US should bring attention. Alternatively, having an existing visa to the US and then, landing on a terrorist ties list, should bring further attention.
Under the circumstances, the father’s caution to the US Embassy should have been enough to have brought further attention to this individual which would have prevented all of the above.
If he in fact got on board the airplane with no passport, then, that in itself pretty well explains where things went wrong. As a matter of fact, he could have been on a no-fly list and if he was allowed to board the plane with no passport then there would have been no verification of his name and therefore he would have successfully by-passed the no-fly list.
Frankly, at this point, it almost seems more likely that he did board with no passport; given all the questions which should have been raised by reviewing the passport that he should have had. If so, if it was by virtue of the verbal ruse offered by the Indian gentleman, it’s really inexcusable and furthermore, the Indian gentleman should really be considered a ‘person of interest!!!!’
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